Hair Perms & Neutralisers
PRODUCTS N°: 68
HERB MARYSER-PERMANENT
ALDO FORTE
Gentle formulation that delivers classic ripple in respect of hair that are soft and shiny.Available in the following versions:-# 1-for normal hair-# 2-for treated hair way of u...
Gentle formulation that delivers classic ripple in respect of hair that are soft and shiny.Available in the following versions:-# 1-for normal hair-# 2-for treated hair way of u...
MARYSER-NEUTRALIZING FIXER
ALDO FORTE
Herbal liquid permanent specific primer MARYSER. packaging: 1000 ml bottle....
Herbal liquid permanent specific primer MARYSER. packaging: 1000 ml bottle....
PERMANENT NEW FORMULA
ALLWAVES
LIGHT AND STRONG It contains no acid thioglicolico and therefore does not pinch and is less irritating to the skin. Lets get a curl elastic and a ripple perfect and long lasting...
LIGHT AND STRONG It contains no acid thioglicolico and therefore does not pinch and is less irritating to the skin. Lets get a curl elastic and a ripple perfect and long lasting...
PERMANENT
ALLWAVES
a permanent innovative enriched with precious active ingredients, which can obtain a curl elastic and tonic and ripple perfect and lasting, leaving the hair soft and fragrant. Av...
a permanent innovative enriched with precious active ingredients, which can obtain a curl elastic and tonic and ripple perfect and lasting, leaving the hair soft and fragrant. Av...
PLASMANTE - universal undulation system
ALTER EGO
UNIVERSAL PERMING LOTIONNew undulation system formulated with cysteine and amino acids. Its delicate formulation is suitable for all hair types: natural' colored and treated. It cr...
UNIVERSAL PERMING LOTIONNew undulation system formulated with cysteine and amino acids. Its delicate formulation is suitable for all hair types: natural' colored and treated. It cr...
PERFECT LISS 120 DAYS
ARTIST
Step 1: PRE-TREATMENT SHAMPOOShampoo with keratin-based formula, extractssoy and Oat Oil for a smooth and anti-frizz effect,ideal for preparing the hair forsmoothing treatment Perf...
Step 1: PRE-TREATMENT SHAMPOOShampoo with keratin-based formula, extractssoy and Oat Oil for a smooth and anti-frizz effect,ideal for preparing the hair forsmoothing treatment Perf...
PERFECT LISS 120 DAYS KIT HOME THERAPY
ARTIST
SHAMPOO + CONDITIONERSmoothing treatment of maintenance at home.Formula rich in active ingredients such as extractsof Oats and Soybean Oil, naturally combined withTop quality kerat...
SHAMPOO + CONDITIONERSmoothing treatment of maintenance at home.Formula rich in active ingredients such as extractsof Oats and Soybean Oil, naturally combined withTop quality kerat...
MOVE&SMOOTH THERAPY CAPELLI RICCI
ARTISTIC
MOVE&SMOOTH THERAPY allows you to change your look in a simple and effective way: its innovative technology allows you to go from the most formed curl to the perfect straight, and ...
MOVE&SMOOTH THERAPY allows you to change your look in a simple and effective way: its innovative technology allows you to go from the most formed curl to the perfect straight, and ...
TRANSFORMER PLUS PER PERMANENTI E STIRANTI
ARTISTIC
On particularly damaged hair, TRANSFORMER PLUS regenerates the hair fibers and protects them from damage, equalizes the porosity on the different hair structures, making their abso...
On particularly damaged hair, TRANSFORMER PLUS regenerates the hair fibers and protects them from damage, equalizes the porosity on the different hair structures, making their abso...
BIOSYNC
ARTWORK
NEW WAVING SYSTEM harmonizer volumes - without thioglycolates Standing next generation that makes it sweet and great result on natural hair, colored, permed. In fact, does not c...
NEW WAVING SYSTEM harmonizer volumes - without thioglycolates Standing next generation that makes it sweet and great result on natural hair, colored, permed. In fact, does not c...
MOVED 12 MIN
BE HAIR
Revolutionizes the world of universal permanent waving system with cysteamine.Advantages:• more functional;• more efficient;• with faster shutter speed. packaging: kit con...
Revolutionizes the world of universal permanent waving system with cysteamine.Advantages:• more functional;• more efficient;• with faster shutter speed. packaging: kit con...
SMOOTH LISS
BIOSHINE
Treatment frizz smoothing cream Biological, without mercaptoacetic acid and salts derived from the same, Keratin and Vitamin E. It is suitable for every need of hairdresser allowi...
Treatment frizz smoothing cream Biological, without mercaptoacetic acid and salts derived from the same, Keratin and Vitamin E. It is suitable for every need of hairdresser allowi...
WAVE SOFT
BIOSHINE
SOFT WAVE- without permanent unique strength Ammonia liquid organic scented waving to Marine amino acids and wheat proteins The undulating WAVE SOFT liquid does not contain Thio...
SOFT WAVE- without permanent unique strength Ammonia liquid organic scented waving to Marine amino acids and wheat proteins The undulating WAVE SOFT liquid does not contain Thio...
PERMANENT BLACK
BLACK
The new PERMANENT BLACK allows you to get a curl elastic and a ripple perfect and long lasting, even on already processed hair ; leaves hair soft and fragrant. Thanks to its spe...
The new PERMANENT BLACK allows you to get a curl elastic and a ripple perfect and long lasting, even on already processed hair ; leaves hair soft and fragrant. Thanks to its spe...
PERMANENT SERVICE
CAPILLUM
WAVING AND LIQUID LIQUID NEUTRALISING The neutralizing Capillum has been formulated to enhance the results of the permanent protecting hair and providing waves and curls soft an...
WAVING AND LIQUID LIQUID NEUTRALISING The neutralizing Capillum has been formulated to enhance the results of the permanent protecting hair and providing waves and curls soft an...
PERFECTIONNER KIT
CHARME & BEAUTY
PERFECTIONNER PRE-TREATMENT SHAMPOO Step 1 - Purifying shampoo with specific pH foropen the hair cuticles and prepare them for treatmentSmoothing. Removes impurities and ensures g...
PERFECTIONNER PRE-TREATMENT SHAMPOO Step 1 - Purifying shampoo with specific pH foropen the hair cuticles and prepare them for treatmentSmoothing. Removes impurities and ensures g...
BIOLOGICAL WAVING SYSTEM
CHENICE
trends are changing, it is always more to look with volume, waves, curls, by contrast, even the smooth still persists. It is for this reason that Chenice Beverly Hills launched th...
trends are changing, it is always more to look with volume, waves, curls, by contrast, even the smooth still persists. It is for this reason that Chenice Beverly Hills launched th...
Wave
COTRIL
WAVE is the permanent without ammonia and delicate and balance-respecting thglygle acid. Formulated with plantproteins, it prevents the formation of split ends. It is suitable for...
WAVE is the permanent without ammonia and delicate and balance-respecting thglygle acid. Formulated with plantproteins, it prevents the formation of split ends. It is suitable for...
Boucle BIOWAVING SYSTEM
DAVINES
We made a gentle waving system for natural hair, big, chemically treated and thin. Formulated with cysteamine, an active ingredient derived from natural amino acid, similar to the...
We made a gentle waving system for natural hair, big, chemically treated and thin. Formulated with cysteamine, an active ingredient derived from natural amino acid, similar to the...
CURLING SYSTEM BALANCE
DAVINES
Advanced system specifically designed for permanent hair of normalcolored and damaged / with light strokes. The ammonia -free formula produces an amphoteric self-depending on the ...
Advanced system specifically designed for permanent hair of normalcolored and damaged / with light strokes. The ammonia -free formula produces an amphoteric self-depending on the ...
FRISETTE : PROCESSING FORM
DEMERAL
FRISETTE offers the maximum power to the hair waving and high protection of the hair. The innovative formula based on the synergic action of thioglycolate, cysteamine and complexe...
FRISETTE offers the maximum power to the hair waving and high protection of the hair. The innovative formula based on the synergic action of thioglycolate, cysteamine and complexe...
NO AMI
DEMERAL
treatment multiplier of movement, volume and body New service for fortifying a movement ultra- natural and long-lasting thanks to the combined action of essential oils and amin...
treatment multiplier of movement, volume and body New service for fortifying a movement ultra- natural and long-lasting thanks to the combined action of essential oils and amin...
CAPEOX
DIKSON
Fixing neutralizing universal permanent. CAPEOX PLUS Universal for permanent fixing neutralizing, treating cosmetic action. Ideal for mixing with the liquid undulating Ondul. ...
Fixing neutralizing universal permanent. CAPEOX PLUS Universal for permanent fixing neutralizing, treating cosmetic action. Ideal for mixing with the liquid undulating Ondul. ...
DIKSOWAVES
DIKSON
the most innovative and pioneering new look fashion effects with wavesPerming treatment that lasts 8 weeks. Powered by keratin, preserves the State of well-being and the integrity ...
the most innovative and pioneering new look fashion effects with wavesPerming treatment that lasts 8 weeks. Powered by keratin, preserves the State of well-being and the integrity ...
VITAMINIC CURLING LOTION
EMMEDICIOTTO
curling lotion to wheat proteins without thioglycolic acid and ammonia. Formulated for all hair types. Create defined curls curler faithful to the full-bodied and supple. method...
curling lotion to wheat proteins without thioglycolic acid and ammonia. Formulated for all hair types. Create defined curls curler faithful to the full-bodied and supple. method...
WAVY -UP
EMSIBETH
WAVY -UP is the perfect balance between fashion and volume in the total respect of the hair structure. The hair is shiny and full-bodied, with waves and curls from the absolute su...
WAVY -UP is the perfect balance between fashion and volume in the total respect of the hair structure. The hair is shiny and full-bodied, with waves and curls from the absolute su...
SWEET WAVE
EMSIBETH
With Cysteamine' without Ammonia' without Parabens' without Thioglycolic Acid. Ideal for all hair types' it acts delicately giving a natural and soft wavy effect' with curls that a...
With Cysteamine' without Ammonia' without Parabens' without Thioglycolic Acid. Ideal for all hair types' it acts delicately giving a natural and soft wavy effect' with curls that a...
OIL PERM + FIXING
ENVIE
OIL PERM liquid curling hair • (0) natural hair or big ; • (1) treated hair or thin ; • (2) hair and exploited with m ches. The consistency of the hedgehog obta...
OIL PERM liquid curling hair • (0) natural hair or big ; • (1) treated hair or thin ; • (2) hair and exploited with m ches. The consistency of the hedgehog obta...
OIL PERM + FIXING
ENVIE
OIL PERM Curling Liquid • (0) natural or coarse hair;• (1) treated or thin hair;• (2) exploited and highlighted hair.The consistency of the hedgehog obtained varies depend...
OIL PERM Curling Liquid • (0) natural or coarse hair;• (1) treated or thin hair;• (2) exploited and highlighted hair.The consistency of the hedgehog obtained varies depend...
PERMANENT + FIXING
EXTREMO
Available in the following versions:• for capellinaturali or ass,• for treated hair or hairline,• for damaged hair or highlighted hair.The consistency of Hedgehog obtained va...
Available in the following versions:• for capellinaturali or ass,• for treated hair or hairline,• for damaged hair or highlighted hair.The consistency of Hedgehog obtained va...
WS SPRING WAVING SOLUTION
FAIPA
Permanent acid solution that acts on the hair in a non-aggressive way.Suitable for all types of hair, thanks to the protective action of amino acidsof silk and collagen derivatives...
Permanent acid solution that acts on the hair in a non-aggressive way.Suitable for all types of hair, thanks to the protective action of amino acidsof silk and collagen derivatives...
THIO FREE PERM
GLAZETTE
Shea Butter and Sweet Almond Oil' with emollient and protective properties' give the curls a natural wavy appearance.The Split End Complex welds split ends creating a protective fi...
Shea Butter and Sweet Almond Oil' with emollient and protective properties' give the curls a natural wavy appearance.The Split End Complex welds split ends creating a protective fi...
EVOLUTION
GOLDWELL
Provides a natural wave that lasts. Ensures elasticity, briskly defined. Excellent sensitivity for the structure of the hair as well as highly reliable results thanks to the proven...
Provides a natural wave that lasts. Ensures elasticity, briskly defined. Excellent sensitivity for the structure of the hair as well as highly reliable results thanks to the proven...
VITENSITY
GOLDWELL
The new generation of modern permanent waving and uses the special system of carriers and advanced technology to give Q10 ripple elasticity and durability. The system of vectors h...
The new generation of modern permanent waving and uses the special system of carriers and advanced technology to give Q10 ripple elasticity and durability. The system of vectors h...
MOVE
GREEN LIGHT
WAVING SYSTEM - waving system Natural undulations. Without thioglycolates, Ammonia and Peroxide water for a perfect and secure. The completely innovative formulation of Mossa le...
WAVING SYSTEM - waving system Natural undulations. Without thioglycolates, Ammonia and Peroxide water for a perfect and secure. The completely innovative formulation of Mossa le...
BIOLOGIC
HANTESIS
BIOLOGIC PERM - Permanent Biological unique strength Contains Soy Protein, nutrients to the structure of the hair, the Keratin Amino Acids and Marine Collagen to moisturize and ...
BIOLOGIC PERM - Permanent Biological unique strength Contains Soy Protein, nutrients to the structure of the hair, the Keratin Amino Acids and Marine Collagen to moisturize and ...
Dainami
INTERCOSMO
energizing to cysteamine at pH 6.8 acid New energizing system that gives volume soft and elastic. A cysteamine acts gently on the molecular structure of the hair providing sweetne...
energizing to cysteamine at pH 6.8 acid New energizing system that gives volume soft and elastic. A cysteamine acts gently on the molecular structure of the hair providing sweetne...
PREONDA
ITELY
PREONDA is protective and restructuring spray to use waving or straightening service first. The Split End Complex creates a protective film that restores keratin structure of the h...
PREONDA is protective and restructuring spray to use waving or straightening service first. The Split End Complex creates a protective film that restores keratin structure of the h...
PROSHAPE
ITELY
ONDASOFT 1-2 KITPermanent without Thioglycolate with organic bioriduttore' Shea butter's sweet almond oil and Split End Complex. The Cysteamine Hydrochloride makes it particularly ...
ONDASOFT 1-2 KITPermanent without Thioglycolate with organic bioriduttore' Shea butter's sweet almond oil and Split End Complex. The Cysteamine Hydrochloride makes it particularly ...
KADUS STRAIGHT
KADUS
Hair straightening treatment that guarantees aultra-smooth and bright hair. Suitable on any typeof hair (whether frizzy or very curly)thanks to its "volume down" effect.The profess...
Hair straightening treatment that guarantees aultra-smooth and bright hair. Suitable on any typeof hair (whether frizzy or very curly)thanks to its "volume down" effect.The profess...
DULCIA ADVANCED
L OREAL
Professional permanent waves and curls for long life. The formula DULCIA ADVANCED enriched Ionene G, penetrates into the heart of the hair. Highly cationic, adheres to the most fr...
Professional permanent waves and curls for long life. The formula DULCIA ADVANCED enriched Ionene G, penetrates into the heart of the hair. Highly cationic, adheres to the most fr...
DULCIA TONIC A.H.A.
L OREAL
personalized service form, equipped with a system to the assets of fruit (alpha hydroxy acids, aha), with two main features : - Active fruit (whose origin is the lemon) that penet...
personalized service form, equipped with a system to the assets of fruit (alpha hydroxy acids, aha), with two main features : - Active fruit (whose origin is the lemon) that penet...
DULCIA ADVANCED
L OREAL
Suitable for hair of all lengths : short, medium and long. It is a new permanent fortifying long-lasting : a formula that combines ionene G, a booster of fortification that easily...
Suitable for hair of all lengths : short, medium and long. It is a new permanent fortifying long-lasting : a formula that combines ionene G, a booster of fortification that easily...
DULCIA ADVANCED TONIQUE
L OREAL
The new permanent L'Oréal Professionnel enriched with Ionene G, formulated to get curly classic, toned and well defined while protecting the hair. Strong hold and soft touch. For...
The new permanent L'Oréal Professionnel enriched with Ionene G, formulated to get curly classic, toned and well defined while protecting the hair. Strong hold and soft touch. For...
HEALING TEXTURE
LANZA
permanent A permanent to achieve defined curls, improve hair shine : thanks to a high percentage of keratin hair are nourished and revitalized. A formulation with low ammonia co...
permanent A permanent to achieve defined curls, improve hair shine : thanks to a high percentage of keratin hair are nourished and revitalized. A formulation with low ammonia co...
ECOPERM - waving lotion
LIRIAS
Liquid undulating devoid of thioglycolic acid and ammonia or derivatives thereof. It performs an extremely gentle on the hair fibers. The first system undulating with fixing delic...
Liquid undulating devoid of thioglycolic acid and ammonia or derivatives thereof. It performs an extremely gentle on the hair fibers. The first system undulating with fixing delic...
LISAP ULTIMATE
LISAP
LISAP ULTIMATE l exclusive permanent smoothing treatment effect zero frizz that allows for a smooth permanent or volume control through Kerasil Complex. LISAP ULTIMATE an ironing ...
LISAP ULTIMATE l exclusive permanent smoothing treatment effect zero frizz that allows for a smooth permanent or volume control through Kerasil Complex. LISAP ULTIMATE an ironing ...
LISAP ULTIMATE
LISAP
SHAMPOO GOVERNING HAIR SMOOTH AND CRESPI ; specific treatment for frizzy hair smooth and that, used before LISAP ULTIMATE PLUS, relaxes the hair fiber, improving pettinabilit...
SHAMPOO GOVERNING HAIR SMOOTH AND CRESPI ; specific treatment for frizzy hair smooth and that, used before LISAP ULTIMATE PLUS, relaxes the hair fiber, improving pettinabilit...
LONDAWAVE
LONDA
WAVE LOTION S lotion for curly hair Lotion suitable for any type of curls, thanks to the Aqua -Care formula, the areas dry and damaged hair are fed without being weighed down, f...
WAVE LOTION S lotion for curly hair Lotion suitable for any type of curls, thanks to the Aqua -Care formula, the areas dry and damaged hair are fed without being weighed down, f...
LONDALOCK
LONDA
WAVE LOTION S for colored hair and porous A formulation of creatine that cements damaged hair. The hair structure is smoothed out and replaced with a silky shine. The advantages...
WAVE LOTION S for colored hair and porous A formulation of creatine that cements damaged hair. The hair structure is smoothed out and replaced with a silky shine. The advantages...
OPTI.WAVE
MATRIX
is a permanent alkaline to gentle action on the hair which acts in a manner ultrabilanciata exclusively where the sulfur bridges are present, the effect of which occurs the phase ...
is a permanent alkaline to gentle action on the hair which acts in a manner ultrabilanciata exclusively where the sulfur bridges are present, the effect of which occurs the phase ...
OPTI.CURL
MATRIX
OPTI.CURL is the new ripple long life for all types of hair. Its technology, in fact, uses a system for balancing action of the different porosity of the structure and self-adjust...
OPTI.CURL is the new ripple long life for all types of hair. Its technology, in fact, uses a system for balancing action of the different porosity of the structure and self-adjust...
OPTI.CARE
MATRIX
OPTI.CARE is a permanent ultra conditioning. Thanks to a patented complex, long-lasting, strengthens brittle hair, making them more durable and gives Curls in all hair types, norm...
OPTI.CARE is a permanent ultra conditioning. Thanks to a patented complex, long-lasting, strengthens brittle hair, making them more durable and gives Curls in all hair types, norm...
exothermic WAVE
PAUL MITCHELL
for normal and resistant hair For resistant hair, normal and thin. The formula, free from ammonia and thioglycolate, acts gently with a neutral pH 7. Exothermic Wave creates def...
for normal and resistant hair For resistant hair, normal and thin. The formula, free from ammonia and thioglycolate, acts gently with a neutral pH 7. Exothermic Wave creates def...
FIX & PLEX PERM
RAYWELL
FIX PERM - exotic fragranceUniversal fixing liquid for perm with exotic fruit essence. Suitable for fixing the undulation created by the perm. Packaging: 1000 ml bottle. PLEX P...
FIX PERM - exotic fragranceUniversal fixing liquid for perm with exotic fruit essence. Suitable for fixing the undulation created by the perm. Packaging: 1000 ml bottle. PLEX P...
SENSOR SYSTEM - the permanent with the computer
REVLON
Permanent absolutely innovative because the result of the synergy between the chemical research and computer science. A technology -free sour alkaline agents, it does not alter th...
Permanent absolutely innovative because the result of the synergy between the chemical research and computer science. A technology -free sour alkaline agents, it does not alter th...
OR WAVE PERM ?
SHOT
is a practical and innovative system that allows you to customize each service and modular folding or permanent. A combination of calibrated leaks and sweetness to create long-las...
is a practical and innovative system that allows you to customize each service and modular folding or permanent. A combination of calibrated leaks and sweetness to create long-las...
N: NEUTRALIZER
SINERGY COSMETICS
Permanent biological neutralizer without oxygen at neutral Ph. Respects your hair color giving it softness and elasticity. packaging: 500 ml bottle....
Permanent biological neutralizer without oxygen at neutral Ph. Respects your hair color giving it softness and elasticity. packaging: 500 ml bottle....
P2 BIOPERMANENT
SINERGY COSMETICS
Organic permanent that does not contain neither Ammonia nor Thioglycolic Acid. The formula is enriched with complex of amino acids of marine collagen and Keratin that restructures ...
Organic permanent that does not contain neither Ammonia nor Thioglycolic Acid. The formula is enriched with complex of amino acids of marine collagen and Keratin that restructures ...
P1 BIOPERMANENT
SINERGY COSMETICS
Organic permanent that does not contain neither Ammonia nor Thioglycolic Acid. The formula is enriched with complex of amino acids of marine collagen and Keratin that restructures ...
Organic permanent that does not contain neither Ammonia nor Thioglycolic Acid. The formula is enriched with complex of amino acids of marine collagen and Keratin that restructures ...
AXENIA
SOCO
technical brand of Soco has created two professional systems needed within the salon to get hair straightening, cosmetic, natural, durable and beautiful ripples. AXENIA ULTRA STRA...
technical brand of Soco has created two professional systems needed within the salon to get hair straightening, cosmetic, natural, durable and beautiful ripples. AXENIA ULTRA STRA...
AXENIA
SOCO
Axenia ONDEMOVE is the new waving system able to create volume, support and permanent undulations through a single specific lotion for all hair types. A formulation modern and i...
Axenia ONDEMOVE is the new waving system able to create volume, support and permanent undulations through a single specific lotion for all hair types. A formulation modern and i...
TEXTURE CHANGE
TOCCO MAGICO
Aacid undulating wave Formulated to work in the system instead of acid alkaline, green apple scent. Allows you to respect the structure of the hair avoiding traumatic alteration...
Aacid undulating wave Formulated to work in the system instead of acid alkaline, green apple scent. Allows you to respect the structure of the hair avoiding traumatic alteration...
MAXIMA FIBER LISS
VITALFARCO HAIR COSMETICS
Anti-frizz line for a smooth natural effect with K.IA. C Pro technology' the total care complex that repairs' moisturizes' protects: Keratin-Hyaluronic Acid-Collagen. It allows you...
Anti-frizz line for a smooth natural effect with K.IA. C Pro technology' the total care complex that repairs' moisturizes' protects: Keratin-Hyaluronic Acid-Collagen. It allows you...
MAXIMA FIX + NATURAL WEAVE
VITALFARCO HAIR COSMETICS
NATURAL WAVE Permanent without thioglycolates with KeratinNew generation wavy system that acts naturally on the molecular structure of the hair. Leaves hair strong and elastic.Ava...
NATURAL WAVE Permanent without thioglycolates with KeratinNew generation wavy system that acts naturally on the molecular structure of the hair. Leaves hair strong and elastic.Ava...
LINE ACADEMY
VOLHAIR
LONG LASTING WAVE - permanent new generation to wheat proteins Ensures technically flawless results on all hair types, with curly full of life, soft and smooth, with a perfect...
LONG LASTING WAVE - permanent new generation to wheat proteins Ensures technically flawless results on all hair types, with curly full of life, soft and smooth, with a perfect...
WAVE IT
WELLA
For soft waves, harmonious. The permanent produces soft and natural effect ripples ' durability. WAVE IT MILDFor colored hair and sensitive directions for use: Heat 6-3 code ' ...
For soft waves, harmonious. The permanent produces soft and natural effect ripples ' durability. WAVE IT MILDFor colored hair and sensitive directions for use: Heat 6-3 code ' ...
CURL IT
WELLA
Dynamic and permanent elastic ' long-lasting curls. CURL IT MILDFor colored hair and sensitive skin. directions for use: Climazon Code 3 6-12 minutes with heat added is 10-15 m...
Dynamic and permanent elastic ' long-lasting curls. CURL IT MILDFor colored hair and sensitive skin. directions for use: Climazon Code 3 6-12 minutes with heat added is 10-15 m...